Blogger Boundaries ft. Snow White and the Asian Pear

There have been some really awesome thought-provoking discussions flying around the International Asian beautyblog community, sparked by posts like: 

I’ve also been really overwhelmed at the response to my How to Beauty Haul Responsibly post, which has sparked conversations like Do you keep a beauty (or style) budget? by Hello Pretty Bird

These discussions have been happening alongside an increasing number of requests we have received to assist with recommending products to resolve specific skin conditions and concerns. The combination of factors spurred Snow to reach out to me to collaborate on a post. As a Consumer Psychologist and an Asian beautyblogger  I thought it might be fun to discus this important topic of, ‘Why bloggers can’t definitively recommend products for you, no matter how much we want to help you out.’  And we do it out of love and an interest in sharing with and helping others, but just because we want to, doesn’t mean we should.

BOUNDARIES

So for your reading pleasure, in this post we discuss:

  • The Decision Making Process.
  • Bloggers are enthusiasts, not Dermatologists.
  • We can give you starting points, but not instructions.
  • Recommending products for other skin types.
  • Skincare is a personal journey; there are no shortcuts.


The Decision Making Process.

adoredee: Bloggers and blogs are an amazing tool that can offer information that’s a more personal experience than the promotional materials shared by a company. However, as useful as they are, they have limitations and it is important to know what they are before relying on them completely.

When you make a purchase, you subconsciously run through a series of steps that is called the Decision Making Process.

decision makin
There are five generally accepted steps, but the actual number of steps you run through largely depends on your level of Involvement, characterised as High or Low

Involvement

When Skincare is High Involvement, you’re probably more likely to spend more time on of the Information Search of the Decision Making Process because it is important for you to get it right. When you’re highly involved, in deep research mode, what do you do? You read as many reviews you can get your hands on, and the easiest place to find these are on blogs! Most blogs have comment sections so you can interact with the blogger and other readers to expand on ideas shared in the post. In addition to comment sections, most bloggers are on social media sites so you can interact with them directly. Which makes it really easy to reach out to them to ask them to clarify things they may have said or missed in their reviews. As a blogger I have to be honest that interaction is most excellent. Likes and retweets are great, but what’s more important to me are comments because I see every blog post as the start of a conversation.

source: http://www.alchemyconsulting.ca/
source: http://www.alchemyconsulting.ca/

Things can get murky when everything a blogger says gets hit with the Argument from Authority Bias. When you know the status of the blogger as being really active, knowledgeable and friendly, that can influence perception of the message. ie. If a blogger you like writes an awesome review and the product worked for you, you then assume everything they like will work for you, or they know exactly what will work for your skin. This is absolutely, 100% not even remotely true. I do not know everything about skincare, it is possible I know more, but that’s because I’ve read content written by people much smarter than me and I’ve retained that information.

As a blogger, all I can do is share my own personal experience, nothing more. I’m a consumer just like everyone else, the only difference is that I share my research findings with whoever is interested in reading them in the hope that someone else uses it to help them make a decision.

source: bloggingedge.com
Tool of the blogging trade, medical certification not required. source: bloggingedge.com

Bloggers are enthusiasts, not Dermatologists.

Snow: I’m going to start with the elephant in the room here, and get it out of the way.  I am not a medical professional.  I do not have the qualifications to recommend products for any sort of skin condition or concern.  I cannot make recommendations for your skin type, nor can I tell you what effect a product will have on your skin.  No blogger, unless they also happen to be a Dermatologist, Cosmetic Chemist, or other professional who is licensed to tell people what to do with their skin, can do this for you.  I’m just a skincare nerd who spends too much time with Google Scholar.

Google Scholar should be everyone's best friend.
Google Scholar should be everyone’s best friend.

Conversely, if you ask me: “I need you to recommend a product for me.  I have acne, oily skin, sebaceous filaments, blackheads, fine lines, and sun damage” I am not going to be able to do that.  I feel badly that I can’t, because I want to help, but I can’t.  I can tell you that I found BHA to be the most effective treatment of my clogged pores, SFs and blackheads, and acne, and that BHA is a common active used by people for those concerns and has a scientific pedigree to back it up, but I cannot tell you to use it, nor can I recommend that you do so.  In fact, as it is ethically and morally responsible for me to do, I will recommend that you seek the advice of a medical professional.  This is especially true if you have a serious skin condition, such as cystic acne, rosacea, or eczema.That’s not to say that I can’t help you with recommendations if you are looking for something specific, for example: “What BHA do you like best?  What AHA do you recommend?  What’s your favourite serum for acne?  I’m looking for hydrocolloid bandages, what’s the best one you’ve tried?”  Not only are you asking for a specific product option for something you have already decided, on your own, that you want to try, you are also asking me for my personal experience- not my ‘professional’ recommendation.

Additionally, there is an entire can of worms in terms of liability and litigation involved with dispensing advice individually vs posting a review with which people may do as they choose.  I think of it as a guest walking up to a brunch buffet I’ve made and choosing a PB&J, possibly risking peanut allergies but ultimately responsible for their choice, versus handing me their plate and asking me to choose a sandwich for them.

We can give you starting points, but not instructions.

Snow: Based off the research I have done, gleaning information from scientific studies written by people who do have credentials, I feel comfortable making general statements such as: high pH cleansers are disruptive to the skin’s natural defenses, have both a short-term and cumulative effect, and that certain bacteria (including P. acnes) thrive in pH conditions which are higher than skin’s natural pH range.  What’s the difference?  I have studies that I can cite that state these observations. (In fact you can read them here.)

Holy Terror or Holy Grail?
Holy Terror or Holy Grail?

What I don’t have, however, is a study that states that the Su:m37 Miracle Rose Cleansing Stick (reviewed) is a good cleanser for acne.  When it comes to that product, all I can do is state that it is a low-pH foaming cleanser, share my personal experience with how it impacted my skin, and leave you to decide what to do from there. As it happens, the Su:m37 MRCS does cause breakouts for many people, possibly due to the coconut-derived ingredients, so even being a low-pH cleanser isn’t a guarantee.

I can’t advise you on what to do with your skin.  I am a fan of ingredients analysis, researching studies, and exploring the science of skincare; but that doesn’t mean I profess to be an expert.  When I do write informational posts, they’re based off multiple, full-text, accessible studies which I provide for the reader to make up their own mind after reading it. Also, I can only advise on how products worked for me, on my skin in my climate; such is the limitation of personal experience.

Recommending products for other skin types.

Snow: Sometimes bloggers (and beauty product enthusiasts) joke that they wish they had more than one face, thus allowing them to test and use all the products they’re keen on trying.  This is doubly true when it comes to being asked to recommend products for other skin types, because quite frankly, I have no idea.

In fact, as a Dehydrated-Combo-Oily-in-an-Arid-Climate skin type, I can’t even recommend products for a Dehydrated-Combo-Oily-in-a-Humid-Climate skin type, because I have no idea how even my own skin type will react in a different environment.  

Anyone who has travelled a great deal can attest to the havoc that a different environment can cause, even when you have a stable routine.  Even your trusty staple products can betray you when you throw a new factor into the mix.

Climate is a big factor.
Climate is a big factor.

Snow: I’m not going to deny (it does!) that it puts a tremendous burden of work on the reader to analyze a given review, the blogger’s skin type/climate, skin concerns, compare it to their own skin type, and then make an educated guess.  It is.  It’s the struggle we all face when considering what to buy; my Holy Grail may be adoredee’s Skinpocalypse.  Caveat emptor, as they say.

adoredee: I have Oily-Dehydrated skin that I’m now just realising is ultra sensitive to environmental change. Where my HG routine works flawlessly in one climate, it can become almost unworkable in another, making me wonder if it ever worked at all!

My mother acutely experiences this as she lives in two drastically different climates, one hot/humid and the other extremely changeable. There are things like oil cleansing that she would love to keep for both climates because they work for her, but she really just can’t make them work for her in the other climate. It is extremely frustrating for her as it wasn’t something you initially think about.

Snow: Don’t despair over trying to find someone who is an exact match to your skin type/climate, however. Even though there are so many variables that can completely change your skincare landscape, it doesn’t mean that those with different skin types cannot benefit from reading the reviews of bloggers who have a different skin types/climates than you.  For example, a friend who lives in a temperate climate and has dry skin and rosacea still reads my blog and uses the info to make decisions about her skincare purchases; if something was too rich for me, it may work for her, and if something was too drying for my skin, she knows it’s going to be much too drying for her.

adoredee: This is so true! Skincare is a journey of educated guesses and trial and error. You make choices based on the information available to you and go from there. No matter how much of a skin twin you have in a blogger, what works for them may not work for you due to climate, hormones, emotional state (like stress), and even things like the hardness of the water.

While Snow and I have similar products in our routines (the CosRx A-Sol springs to mind) we don’t always use them in the same way. One example is the Mizon Snail Recovery Gel, I use it as a moisturiser, and Snow uses it as a sealant amongst other things. I actually got the idea of using it as a spot treatment from her review! From reading her review, and other reviews I knew that while it might not be enough for her as a moisturiser due to her skin type and climate it would probably be fine for mine, so I made an educated guess to try it.

packaging
Cosrx A-Sol: same product, different skin, different use, different effect.

 Where Snow can use products with Niacinamide and tea tree, I cannot. Which means all the products in my routine and in my reviews will be free of those ingredients. It doesn’t mean those ingredients are bad for everyone and should be avoided, it just means for me they’re the opposite of awesome.  So even though they are great for certain skin issues, I can’t recommend them because I’ve found other workarounds and if someone has similar sensitivities, it doesn’t mean my work arounds will work for them either!

Skincare is a personal journey; there are no shortcuts.

Snow: The sad fact is, there are no shortcuts when it comes to the process of deciding what products to purchase, and judging their potential risk:reward ratio for your skin.  As adoredee recommends in Figuring out your Skincare Triggers, knowing your ingredient triggers (such as her Niacinamide and Tea Tree examples above) is a huge step forward, as is reviewing the ingredients of a product for triggers.

Here’s the caveat for that, though: just because a product has no Cosdna ‘red flags’ doesn’t mean it’s guaranteed not to be irritating.  For example, I tested the pH adjusting toner from Cosrx, applying it to one side of my face and my trusty Mizon AHA/BHA Daily Clean pH adjusting toner on the other.  Despite having no flags of note, the Cosrx AHA/BHA Clarifying Treatment Toner made my face burn, and the more-flags-Mizon remained its gentle, skin-friendly self. (You can read the comparison review here.)

Conversely, my skin is notoriously sensitive to oil cleansers, which trigger a nightmare of clogged pores and blemishes no matter how carefully I rinse and second cleanse.  However, the LJH Dr’s Care Cleansing Oil (recommended by fanserviced-b), which contains more flags and potential triggers than you can shake a (Miracle Rose Cleansing) Stick at, is the only oil cleanser I have ever tried that my skin loved.  Heck, even tolerated.  When I asked fanserviced about it, I think her words of warning about the prevalence of triggers were along the lines of ‘death in a bottle’, but she loved it so much I wanted to try it.  It’s incredible.  First successful oil cleanser, Cosdna ingredient triggers be damned.  You just never know.  Sadly there are no shortcuts on this journey; even without a condition requiring medical advice, it takes time, research, testing, and trial and error before you find your way.

source:  Vyacheslav Mishchenko
source: Vyacheslav Mishchenko

adoredee: There are no shortcuts and no firm destinations. As our bodies age and change it demands different things, which is why I think of skincare as a constant journey. What works now, won’t always work forever and mistakes will be made. That’s okay and normal! But I hope that you enjoy reading about our journeys and that what we write helps yours 🙂

Snow: Skincare is so personal, so unique to your skin, your environment, your health, your habits, that no matter how enthusiastic or helpful the blogger is, unless they are also a licensed professional, they can only show you the path they took.  Your skincare journey is along a trail only you can blaze.

I’ll be cheering you on, though, and posting as much information as I can in the hopes that it may help others.  It’s worth the effort, I promise!


We both will be, actually I can’t think of any skincare blogger who isn’t rooting for you to have great skin. It’s a lot of work, but nothing we haven’t personally done ourselves. Thanks to Snow for helping me put this together and I look forward to another collaboration soon!

All the best ❤

 

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6 Comments Add yours

  1. Tayo says:

    Loved this! xxx

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  2. Definitely agree with everything here. Everybody’s skin and environment are so different and I always just try to read as widely as I possibly can before I buy anything (a background in research and not much money will do that!). I’m pulling together (very slowly) my own ingredients database so that I can keep a track of what works and doesn’t …..for me.

    When asked to recommend products I tend to refer to knowledgeable blog posts and general groups of products rather than specifics …unless it’s Benton Snail Bee Essence and then I will recommend that sucker every time!

    Charlotte xx (Oily – dehydrated, large pores, starting to see the first signs of ageing, living in relatively humid but temperamental British weather but have experience with my skin when living in a desert as well!)

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    1. adoredee says:

      Temperamental British weather will be the death of me skincare wise!

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  3. naomi.a says:

    Hi dee, I live in Indonesia and it’s super hot and humid and I absolutely agree with you and snow! Sometimes products by raved by UK or US based bloggers just feels soooo oily and so sticky for my oily skin and climate. Plus I weep at my skin’s sensitivity to anything snail when everybody seems to love it so much!

    Anyway I’ve been reading a lot of skincare blogs lately because I’m in the information searching phase – I guess – for a nice BHA product, since I broke out when I tried cosrx’s bha liquid… Though probably I was kinda guilty of over exfoliating my acid-virgin face lol. Nice post and great blog, glad I found this 🙂

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    1. adoredee says:

      Hi Naomi! I’m so glad this post was helpful to you!

      It really wasn’t until my mother loved one product in one climate and hated it in another that it clicked for me. Climate really does impact the way we use different products. I know that the air in the UK is way too moisture filled for me to use a sheet mask more than once a week. In the US, soooo dry. I could mask twice a day like Snow does and still be craving more moisture! LOL.

      Ahhh, over-exfoliation. Been there, don’t worry. you’re not alone! Just take it slow. Even when you’re starting all over again (like I am) after using acids all the time, you gotta go slow.

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